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Weren’t those diseases eradicated? No! Measles, now mumps are spreading. Is influenza next?

In November of 2018, an outbreak of measles in in the Orthodox Jewish community in the Williamsburg and Borough Park neighborhoods in Brooklyn, New York foretold the beginning of an epidemic. Throughout the remainder of the year health ministers of countries including Ukraine, Romania, France, Greece, Italy, and yes, the U.S. continued to report outbreaks of measles. In 2017 the World Health Organization (WHO) had declared that the UK had eliminated measles. But by 2018 a marked increase in the number of confirmed measles cases meant that transmission of measles had been re-established.

Why? Despite there being an effective and safe vaccine since 1960, why are measles and other infectious diseases like mumps and rubella still around? As The Atlantic reports, researchers are blaming “misinfodemics” for spreading disease. They use the example of London’s “The Great Stink” of the summer of 1858 — outbreaks of cholera, plague, and chlamydia were blamed on the smell of the polluted River Thames.

Punch Magazine/Wikimedia Commons The silent highwayman: Death rows on the Thames, claiming the lives of victims who have not paid to have the river cleaned up, during the Great Stink. [Cartoon from Punch Magazine. July 10, 1858.]
It wasn’t the smell that led to disease, it was the germs in the water. It took scientists 100 years to create an effective and safe vaccine that lead to measles being declared eradicated in most industrialized countries.

But throughout the world, online health misinformation has increased the death toll from preventable diseases. The spread of conspiracy theories and scary pseudo-documentaries leads to vaccine reluctance or refusal to be vaccinated or to have one’s children vaccinated.

“Disease spreads via Facebook statuses and Google results—not just the droplets from a sneeze or the particles that linger in the air when we forget to cough properly into our elbow crease — and around the world, digital health misinformation is having increasingly catastrophic impacts on physical health. Misinformation based on discredited studies continues to mutate and spread online — in memes, articles, and videos, through platforms including Pinterest, Instagram, and Facebook. Like the germs running through the River Thames, toxic information now flows through our digital channels.”

And the spread of measles continues in 2019. CIDRAP (Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy) reports, “Measles continues to spread in global outbreaks, with the first 6 months of 2019 producing more measles cases than any year since 2006.

Between Jan 1 and Jul 31, 2019, 182 countries reported 364,808 measles cases to the WHO. These cases represent a 10-fold increase in the WHO’s African region, a twofold increase in the European region, and a threefold increase in the Western Pacific Region.

World Health Organization. Measles cases have continued to climb into 2019. Preliminary global data shows that reported cases rose by 300 percent in the first three months of 2019, compared to the same period in 2018. This follows consecutive increases over the past two years.

“There have been almost three times as many cases reported to date in 2019 as there were at this same time last year,” the WHO said. “This follows successive yearly increases since 2016, indicating a concerning and continuing upsurge in the overall measles burden worldwide.”

Most countries are seeing outbreaks because they have very low vaccination rates, the WHO said. But even countries with high vaccine coverage are seeing more measles activity.

Measles is so contagious it requires a high community-level vaccination rate – 95% – to prevent sustained transmission. The measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine is effective and widely available as part of national vaccination programs.

But globally, WHO estimates only 86% children have received the first dose of measles vaccine and 69% the second in 2019.”

And as reported just this week, when Wisconsin children return to school this week, close to 50,000 will have waivers that exempt them from vaccines, leaving them vulnerable to measles at a time when the nation has experienced its largest outbreak in 27 years.

Measles (en español, el sarampión) is a potentially deadly and highly contagious viral disease. According to WHO, measles remains an important cause of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine.

According to Popular Science, before the measles vaccine existed, nine out of every 10 kids got the disease before age 15. Two million people died from it every year. It’s easy for most of us to forget that because we’ve had an effective measles vaccine since 1960.

Measles is transmitted via droplets from the nose, mouth or throat of infected persons. According to the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases, you can get the measles just by being in the same room with an infected person — it’s that contagious — unless you’ve been vaccinated or you’ve acquired immunity by having had the measles.

Symptoms of measles include high fever, generalized rash, runny nose, pink, watery eyes, coughing, diarrhea, and earache. The average time between exposure to the measles virus and development of symptoms is usually 10 to 12 days but can range from as few as seven days to as many as 21. A rash develops, starting on the face and upper neck and gradually spreading downwards.

Popular Science reports that progress towards regional elimination targets is “off track.” Because symptoms don’t appear for a week or so after infection, patients have plenty of time to spread the highly contagious virus around before doctors know to quarantine them. To keep a population safe from measles, you need nearly everyone to be vaccinated. Even with most of Europe above the 90 percent mark for more than a decade now, there are still large outbreaks every year.”

Dr. Jaime Moreno is an internist practicing medicine in Cuenca, with offices at the Consultorios Santa Ines. He said that when he was a medical student in Cuenca the late 1970s he saw many cases of measles, with dire consequences.

Measles can have permanent disabling ramifications including pneumonia, brain inflammation, and middle-ear infection. Pregnant women who contract the measles incur a significant risk for miscarriage and low birth weight infants. As Dr. Moreno says, the success of the vaccination campaigns in Ecuador is obvious.  In Cuenca, measles is an extremely rare disease.

Why are mumps outbreaks also on the rise?
Mumps is highly contagious and spread similarly to measles. As reported by the Cleveland Clinic, the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is 90 percent effective but it is 100 percent ineffective if it is not administered. According to the UK’s National Health Service, (NHS), mumps can lead to viral meningitis, encephalitis, deafness, orchitis (inflammation of the testicles) in men who have reached puberty, and ovaritis (inflammation of the ovaries) or mastitis (inflammation of the breasts) in women who have reached puberty.

Mumps has swept through 57 immigration detention facilities in 19 states since September. More than 80 percent were exposed while in custody.

As reported by CNBC (Friday, Aug 30, 2019), nearly 900 migrants contracted mumps in U.S. government detention facilities in the past year; outbreaks were spread across 57 facilities, and this is the first time a mumps outbreak was reported in detention facilities. The New York Times (August 29, 2019) reports that immigrants are crammed into detention centers with poor nutrition and sometimes absent hygiene: immune systems are compromised, making it a “perfect storm” for contracting communicable diseases. Alongside the outbreaks of measles and mumps, the coming flu season makes disease prevention impossible.

 Safety and efficacy
The MMR vaccine gives protection against three serious diseases: measlesmumps, and rubella. Before the introduction of vaccines, all three diseases were extremely common and most people had them at some point, usually as children. Although many people survived without long-term effects, others were left with serious disabilities and some children died. The WHO recommends immunization for all susceptible children and adults for whom measles vaccination is not contraindicated.

Popular Science writes, “It’s so easy to forget what it was like when most children got the measles. Millions of people worldwide feel it’s not a priority to vaccinate their kids, probably in part because they can’t fathom a world where parents regularly lose children to the measles. But such a reality is not improbable, and we are only a couple generations removed from it.”

Roald Dahl, the famous children’s author, lost his own daughter, Olivia, to measles when she was seven and wrote a letter to every parent in 1986:

As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of colored pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn’t do anything.

“Are you feeling all right?” I asked her.

“I feel all sleepy, ” she said.

In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.

It really is almost a crime to allow your child to go un-immunized.

The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in populations with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures. Reaching all children with two doses of measles vaccine, either alone, or in a measles-rubella (MR), measles-mumps-rubella (MMR), or measles-mumps-rubella-varicella (MMRV) combination, should be the standard for all national immunization programs.

The Ecuador Ministry of Public Health has a program to vaccinate all children against these preventable diseases. Free vaccinations are generally available at any Ministerio de Salud Health Center throughout the country. Read more here on the Ministry of Public Health website: among the “beneficiary population groups” are children, pregnant women, and women of childbearing age, adults over 65, health personnel, and risk groups.

Influenza is another contagious disease that can cause complications and even death, but the vaccine is considered effective. The Ecuador Ministry of Health says the vaccination will be available in October. Read more from The Conversation about the 2019 flu vaccine. The 2019 vaccine is “showing early signs of being a good match for the common strains of the flu circulating this season.”  As reported in El Tiempo, as of August 29, three cases of AH1N1 influenza confirmed in Guayaquil. Get your flu vaccine. Vaccination against influenza will begin in October and will focus on vulnerable groups such as children, pregnant women and the elderly.

Watch John Oliver debunk some conspiracy theories with credible science.

Read my earlier 2018 columns on health and vaccinations.
Vaccines: The myths, facts, and foolishness, continued …
What was life like before vaccines? Part III

CIDRAP: Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy. Global measles outbreaks make 2019 a record-setting year.
Cleveland Clinic: Health Essentials. Why are mumps outbreaks on the rise?
CNBC. Nearly 900 migrants contracted mumps in holding centers in the past year.
El Tiempo. Confirmado en Guayaquil tres casos de influenza AH1N1.
GOV.UK. Public health matters. Measles in England.
Journal Sentenial. 50,000 unvaccinated children head to Wisconsin schools as the U.S. copes with worst measles outbreak in 27 years.
National Foundation for Infectious Diseases. Facts about Measles for Adults.
Popular Science. Thanks, anti-vaxxers: Measles is on the rise in Europe.
The Conversation. The 2019 flu shot isn’t perfect — but it’s still our best defense against influenza.
The New York Times. The Trump administration is creating a health nightmare near the border.
World Health Organization. Immunization, Vaccines and Biologicals.
World Health Organization. Measles.
Susan Burke March, a Cuenca expat, is a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist and a Certified Diabetes Educator who specializes in smart solutions for weight loss and diabetes-related weight management. She is the representative from Ecuador for the International Academy of Nutrition & Dietetics.  Write to her –

100 thoughts on “Weren’t those diseases eradicated? No! Measles, now mumps are spreading. Is influenza next?

  1. as long as the following are remembered:

    1. In the United States, the Supreme Court ruled that vaccines are legally classified as unavoidably unsafe. (Supreme Court of the United States. Bruesewitz v. Wyeth. Feb. 22, 2011. (09-152).

    2. The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (1986) – Section 22 (b)(1) exempts vaccine manufacturers (as well as all clinicians providing the vaccine) from civil liability for unavoidable vaccine related injuries or death as long as the vaccine is properly prepared and adequately labeled. In other words, one cannot sue anyone if a vaccine results in injury or death.

    3. The only recourse in the US is the Vaccine Injury Court which is funded by a tax on each vaccine administered. To date, the court has paid out over $4 Billion dollars to approximately 3700 people although over 56,000 individuals have filed cases. (Health Resource & Services Administration payout 11/2018 for NVICP).

    4. There is a VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) government data base ( which is a voluntary and passive reporting system that shows the symptoms, morbidity, and mortality from individual vaccines. Researchers estimate that the VAERS system only captures 1% of all reactions. According to the VAERS database as of 2/5/19, the cumulative raw count of adverse events from measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines alone was: 93,929 adverse events, 1,810 disabilities, 6,902 hospitalizations, and 463 deaths. (Children’s Health Defense,)

    5. the CDC website publishes the ingredients of vaccines—updated 2018. a good idea to find out what is in the syringe.

    The MMR-II manufacturers insert indicates the following ingredients: weakened form of measles, mumps, and rubella virus. Inactive ingredients: Sorbitol, sodium phosphate, potassium phosphate, sucrose, sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin, recombinant human albumin, fetal bovine serum, other buffer and media ingredients, neomycin.

    6. Cochrane review from February 1, 2018 concluded that: “The impact of influenza vaccines in older people is modest, irrespective of setting, outcome, population, and study design.”

    7. Note that multi-dose vials of flu vaccines still contain thermasol (mercury) as well as aluminum and if it is the quad form for those over 65, they get 4x the amount in regular flu vaccines. . See CDC list of ingredients.

    8. According to Peter Doshi (British Medical Journal, December 2005) in 2001, Influenza and pneumonia caused 62,034 deaths of which 61,777 were attributed to pneumonia and 257 to the flu. Note that the flu virus was only identified in 18 cases. In 2002, there were 753 deaths attributed to flu. (CDC National Vital Statistics Reports). Note that the threat of 36,000 annual flu deaths is a statistically derived figure and is not based on actually numbers.

    9. Not a single vaccine in today’s CDC immunization schedule has been validated as safe and effective through a true, saline placebo-controlled clinical trial, much less studied for the dozens added together. This is the conclusion of multiple researchers who have reviewed the manufacturers clinical trials prior to a vaccine’s release.

    10. In the Journal of Clinical Microbiology DOI: 10.1128/JCM.01879-16) researchers describe new technology developed to “rapidly distinguish between measles cases and vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary outbreak response measures such as case isolation and contact investigations.” According to this paper: “During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinated individuals. Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences.”
    In other words, about 38 percent of suspected measles cases in the 2015 Disneyland measles scare in California were actually vaccine-related and not caused by transmission of wild-type measles.

    Other research indicates that these so called measles outbreaks are either vaccinated people getting the measles from the vaccine itself or picking it up from recently vaccinated people who shed the virus for several weeks.

    1. So you think there should be no one getting vaccinated and just have everyone getting all diseases until people all over the world are infected? That makes no sense what so ever. I have never known anyone who was vaccinated for any disease to get that same disease. Susan had this article100% right.

      1. Unfortunately you are incorrect. You can review the article i mentioned in #10 above. It is happening a lot with the MMR however that info is being used to sell more vaccines. As Liz mentions below, the trade off of a few deaths or millions of permanently incapacitated people. See the VAER database.

        The rate of cervical cancer in those injected with the HPV vaccine has also skyrocketed. you can do some independent research — try which has annotated the pubmed international medical database to make it easier to find such information.

        If you recall your high school biology — the human body has an immune system with cellular and extracellular methods of protecting the body. (The vaccines only attempt to agitate the extracellular immunity which has limited success and is not true immunity. ) Your body, with proper nutrition, can fight off just about all infections — some might take a few days but that is what the body is designed to do. It does not need extra help from artificial injections. Once you have recovered from an infection, the body is then permanently immune to that particular “germ” because the body’s immune system has identified it as an invader and the macrophages take care of it post-haste if it reappears. You may notice that vaccinations require lots of booster shots to keep up some sort of temporary immunity.

        1. Now let’s get this understood then. So if a person gets bitten by a poison snake or spider they should not be given any anti venom. Just let their good immune system fight off the poison. Well gee good luck with that because you will die or lose body parts. These scientists trying to say how bad vaccinations are is a scam. They are paid by the New World Order to do that. When you have a world full of sick people it’s much easier to take over and control.

        2. The rate of cervical cancer in those injected with the HPV vaccine has not skyrocketed. That is a patently false statement.

          You need a little more than high school biology to understand immunology. The body is not “permanently immune” to an infection after having recovered from it. It depends on the infection and the host immune response. In many cases, the best you can hope for is about 10 years of immunity.

          And macrophages don’t attack an infection if it reappears. They clean up the detritus after other immune mechanisms have neutralized the organism. Vaccines require boosters because immunity wanes for many organisms, especially ones you are not exposed to regularly.

    2. Great info, Kit! As many health researchers know, vaccines played only a minor role in erradicating disease. It was hygiene and good nutrition, building the immune system, that really worked. After all, how did 2 thirds survive the Black Plague, which occured centuries before vaccines?. Vaccines have neurotoxins and often do more long term damage than the disease itself. Check out the book, How to End the Autism Epidemic, and also the book The Autism Vaccine. Did you know that dementia is called ADULT Autism?

    3. KATHERINE –
      Instead of cherry picking factoids, let’s not forget the point of the article . . .
      There is now an epidemic of Measles where there wasn’t in the recent past due to families choosing not to vaccinate because they are seriously misinformed.

      1. So it comes down to this, with many families that have susceptible genes to vaccine damage……Would you prefer a permanently mentally retarded child, who at least has no measles, or would you take your chance with measles? There are so many people that got their child vaccinated, only to lose him to autism the same day or week, that to dismiss them one must be a COINCIDENCE THEORIST. And you adults who get flu shots are at risk of dementia which is adult autism. Personally I prefer to take charge of my immune system. No vaccines for me nor my family, thank you! We prefer health to neurotoxins trapped in our brains.

        1. Since when are dementia and autism even close to the same thing?

          Different causes. Different onset. Different biology. Different symptoms. Different care and management.

        2. The changes that lead to autism can be detected on MRI in the womb. Does that mean the brain knows it will be vaccinated in the future so it gets an early start on the autism? The fact that the first signs of autism start to appear in early childhood and that vaccines are given in early childhood does not mean it’s the vaccines that caused it. The signs of autism also begin to appear around the same time infants are introduced to food but nobody is suggesting that pureed peas are the cause.

          And dementia is not adult autism. The biological mechanisms are in no way similar. You shouldn’t propagate information that you haven’t taken the time to confirm yourself.

          1. There you go again, trying to communicate with facts, logic and reason with someone that doesn’t speak that language.

          2. There you go again, trying to communicate with facts, logic and reason with someone that doesn’t speak that language.

    4. Vaccines are made for insurance billing purposes. Flu vaccines can, at best, only fight 4 of 125 flu strains at any given time. I asked my cousin, an MD in NYC, why she gives out vaccines if she knows they don’t really work. She answered, “billings.”
      I went to a wedding a few years ago. All of my older relatives were not in attendance, and I knew the person getting married was their favorite nephew. Where were they? All out sick with the flu, yet they had all recently gotten flu shots. Vaccines are garbage, all around. They do more harm than CHL forums.

        1. I think he also made up his repeated stories about crossing the Darién Gap on some sort of super highway. Can you check into that for us?

          1. He makes up a lot of things. It’s a lot easier than learning about a subject before forming an opinion on it.

            1. He has never met a conspiracy theory that he didn’t embrace. The one he’s really stuck on is the one about the lunar landing being faked. The guy is a true believer. His knowledge of real science and medicine is zero.

    5. Thank goodness there are still good people out there that haven’t succumbed to your heretical nonsense:

      WHO partners with Facebook stop the spread of inaccurate vaccine information
      The World Health Organization said the spread of inaccurate vaccine information is “a major threat to global health that could reverse decades of progress made in tackling preventable diseases.”

    6. Also remember the following:

      1. Court rulings are not scientific findings.

      2. Legislation written by gullible rubes are not scientific findings.

      3. The vaccine injury court was created because of the nature of litigation in the US and the fact that it’s easier to prove something to 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty than it is to prove it scientifically.

      4. Anything that occurs (from a common cold to vomiting to feeling lightheaded) that occurs within a reasonable time frame of administering a vaccine is reported as an adverse event regardless of whether or not it is actually related to the vaccination.

      5. So?

      6. That was a meta-analysis of a single vaccine that was poorly matched to that year’s circulating strain. Yes, it happens sometimes. Before vaccination, the elderly they dropped by the hundreds of thousands every year from vaccine-preventable illnesses.

      7. Unless you’re in a refugee camp in Africa, you are never going to receive a vaccine from a multidose vial. Furthermore, to date not a single study has demonstrated that Thimerisol is harmful. It was taken out of the vaccines because so many gullible rubes believed the media hype.

      8. The anti-vax community’s favorite statistic to quote. If you get the flu, it will cause pneumonia. The fluid building up in your lungs until you drown in your own phlegm is what kills you, not the virus. Had those people not had the flu, they wouldn’t have ended up with pneumonia. If you understood how death certificates were filled out, you’d understand how absurd it is to continue to parrot this quote 15 years later. Peter Doshi has pointed this out repeatedly, but the quacks continue to misrepresent his position.

      9. Patently false.

      10. That’s 38% of the samples sent in for testing. That means the other 62% were indeed measles that had been transmitted in the wild. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with that quote.

      No research indicates that any of these measles outbreaks were people getting the measles from the vaccine because you cannot get measles from the vaccine. You made that part up (or just copy/pasted it from someone who did).

  2. Bravo to you, Susan. I’m proud of you. Screw the antivaxxers who don’t inform their decisions with science, but with myth and lunatic fringe conspiracy theories. I hope they all watch the John Oliver video and choke. That will surely take a good number of trumpistas as well.

    1. So it’s Trump’s fault that thousands of unvaccinated, impoverished people have journeyed hundreds of miles across foreign countries without proper sanitary conditions. They arrive at the United States & now it is Americas responsibility to vaccinate, feed, shelter, & provide proper amenities for all the uninvited “guests”. I suppose America should demand vaccination records for all those coming to the borders? I wish I had the opportunity to receive vaccinations against these diseases since I had them all when I was a child. You had to bring your bias into a story of peoples woes because you must take every opportunity to put down people with different viewpoints.

      1. Ray, you now are immunized against the diseases you had, as well as having a stronger immunity against cancer. The same cannot be said with those who injected neurotoxins ….

        1. All the people who died from vaccine-preventable illnesses are also guaranteed to never get cancer.

      2. What a bunch of obfuscation and distortion. Yes, it is trump’s fault for being sure that the immigrants that do get to the border don’t get vaccinated. In typical trump fashion, he does this to be vindictive and to pander to his base of deplorables, but if you can actually think for yourself instead of relying on trump talking points, you would realize that a concentrated mass of unvaccinated immigrants that probably have compromised immune systems due to poverty and malnutrition, are a magnet for every communicable disease there is.

        For the sake of discussion, let’s say you don’t give a rats ass about the immigrants, per se. I assume you realize that they are being watched over by the guards that imprison them and those guards are subject to infection. If they are part of the community at large, they will infect others.

        Secondly, many of these people being held in detention centers are also released into the community at large. Do you really want them to come to your neighborhood and infect your family?

        1. So Double D, please provide your proof that President Trump has given instructions to the detention facilities to deny health care to the uninvited “guests”. You know you are repeating the Dem talking points with all your “hogwash”. You have proven my point with your statement about them infecting the general population in the U.S. Nobody would wish that on our citizens. By the way, I have Ecuadorian friends in America today that crossed illegally. Your entire diatribe was ” a bunch of obfuscation and distortion”

          1. Don’t be a blind fool. Who do you think controls every aspect of what goes on in the detention centers? Just as trump ordered Jeff Sessions to separate children from their parents, specifically to cause suffering that they hoped would be a deterrent to more immigrants coming, the decision about not vaccinating children in the detention centers goes right to the top (oh, excuse me, that may be to the bottom where trump lives)

            I realize you are probably one of those people that sources information only from State TV (Fox News) but even then, you only listen to Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham and the three idiots on the couch in the morning. If you listened to the actual journalists on Fox like Shepard Smith, Chris Wallace, Leland Vittert or Bret Baier, you would get a truer picture of what is going on. Let me help you with that. See if you can read ALL of the information in ALL of the following articles.








            1. Just like Obama controlled all separations at the borders? No instructions were ever given to deny vaccinations. Do you vaccinate ill children? You have zero evidence outside your prejudices. So sorry I do not receive Fox News, but, I am glad you are watching it. Therefore, “Don’t be a blind fool.”

              1. Ray, you really seem more irrational than usual this morning. I’ll try to respond to your post line by line, but it is difficult to decipher what you are trying to say. Oh, well, here goes:

                “Just like Obama controlled all separations at the borders?”

                Yes, Ray, even though your reply is pure whataboutery, it doesn’t do what you obviously want it to. Yes, whatever happened on obama’s watch belonged to obama and the same goes for trump. The buck stops with the CEO of any organization and it is his responsibility to know what his subordinates and minions are doing.

                As a side note, I get the impression that you have jumped to the false conclusion that I’m a statist democrat. I most certainly am not. I disliked obama as much as I disliked bush before him. Notice that I don’t capitalize their names when I write them? That is my way of showing my lack of respect for the 3 of them. Get it Ray? Throwing obama at me to deflect what trump does just doesn’t work.

                “No instructions were ever given to deny vaccinations.”

                And you know this how? Can you cite a source that substantiates your claim?

                “Do you vaccinate ill children?

                That depends on what they are ill with. If appropriate, YES, you vaccinate them. If not, you give them necessary medical care until they are well and then you vaccinate them.

                “You have zero evidence outside your prejudices.

                You’re kidding, right? Do you really want me to provide you with links that show that the children aren’t being vaccinated? I’ve already given you the basis for the claim that the responsibility for this rests with trump, but here is a link for you regarding the lack of vaccines.


                And here is another that shows how irresponsible not vaccinating those kids is:


                “So sorry I do not receive Fox News, but, I am glad you are watching it.

                Lame excuse for not being informed, Ray. You have an internet connection so here is your link for free 24/7 connection to Fox News:

                “Don’t be a blind fool.”

                Pretty lame deflection, Ray. If you can’t do better on your own, ask your wife for help. Your entire post ignores the issues I have raised. I know that at your age it is difficult for you to keep up, but if you put your mind to it, you can surely do better than you have.

                1. You were the one making accusations that you can’t verify. There is a saying in the South about people that rebut any thought that disagrees with yours. It applies perfectly to you. Bless your heart.

  3. Vaccinations for these potentially deadly diseases, including HPV, have been the result of years of scientific research. Vaccination fears (see Kit’s post) are unfounded or inconsequential (like the most common “side effect”, which is very common (duh), is termed SIRVA and means shoulder pain, and always subsides. Most importantly, the myth that vaccines cause autism was falsely reported in the medical literature and debunked (the doctor falsified data). What you are seeing in Kit’s posting is either inconsequential, or false, and is used by the anti-vaccinators to elicit fear in those individuals who are not persuaded in the facts. Totally eradicated diseases have resurfaced and becoming epidemic due to vaccination exemptions in school age children, due to their uninformed parents. As adults, the most important preventative health measure you can participate in is to obtain the vaccinations you may need, especially if you are used to living in the US and travel to or live in another country that has different food, water, and hygiene practices. And obtain your flu vaccine when it is available in October. Please think of your children first, because they know no better and trust you as a parent. Then think of yourselves, and potentially spreading a serious disease to someone with a less-robust immune system. You may have a fever and cough, but the stranger on the bus next to you could die from exposure to your disease.

  4. Somewhat related…

    “From the fall of Rome to gin and tonic: How the mosquito ‘shaped our history'” Text/podcast (23:14) from CBC Radio

    “If you had to choose humanity’s greatest natural predator, would you pick sharks? Maybe lions, or bears — or even other humans?

    “According to author Timothy Winegard, it’s actually that winged terror — the mosquito.

    “In his new book, The Mosquito: A Human History of Our Deadliest Predator, he argues that the mosquito — and the diseases it carries — has played a remarkable role in shaping our own development, from the birth of the gin and tonic, to the fall of the Roman Empire.

    “One or two mosquitoes buzzing around your room may keep you awake at night, but in a large enough group they can actually be lethal.”


  5. Thanks Susan. You really told the straight up truth on this article. Now once again i see some ignorant feeble minded person trying to blame everything on Trump. The Supreme Court made their ruling way back in 2011 that kids did not have to get vaccinated. These uneducated Trump haters need to get their facts straight before making false comments. Then again when he gets an earache or backache he probably still blames Trump. Must be hard for you to put up with that kind of person. The blame all falls on the idiots not getting their kids vaccinated.

    1. Indeed. The extreme left wants to censor any view it does not have by calling it HATE SPEECH. Yet its corporate controlled, CIA edited mainstream news is nothing but HATE SPEECH for Trump and his people who WANT FREEDOM AND THE CONSTITUTION.

  6. You think you’re home free because you’ve been vaccinated. Viruses are really smart and mutate according to conditions. Very quickly too…

  7. There are other aspects to the vaccine story that should also be considered by anyone trying to understand this subject. One is that the United States government is a revolving door with pharmaceutical companies and so the idea of impartiality comes into question. The fact that vaccine manufactures’ in the USA and Canada are except from any sort of prosecution for their products is also disconcerting. This would not be an issue if we could trust the vaccine manufacturers.

    The largest vaccine manufacturer in the world is GlaxoSmithKline (GSK). Their list of vaccines is large and includes Amririx, Boostrix, Menjugate, Rabipur, and Varilix. Unfortunately, GlaxoSmithKline’s rap sheet is also pretty long. Yes, you heard that right:

    GSK have repeatedly lied to the public about the safety of their products, covered up evidence of death caused by their drugs and vaccines, and have repetitively tampered with (withheld crucial data) on research in order to make their products look safer than they are. Here is a small list of this organization’s list of crimes (all major vaccine makers have a similar record)

    Brain-Damaged Victims of Swine Flu Vaccine Win $36 Million

    GlaxoSmithKline Plead Guilty and Pay $3 Billion to Resolve Criminal Liability

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    This website has over 7000 vaccine-injury stories that have been submitted. Many of them are from licensed, board certified medical doctors and nurses that are trying to get the word out. Don’t believe ME. Watch them on video as they communicate their first-person stories (i.e., professional and/or personal experiences) about vaccinations and their risks.

      1. Notice how you don’t respond to the information I provided about whether we should be trusting vaccine makers. Your diversion is quite obvious. How much research do you want? On what subject? Here are just a few papers on vaccine-induced toxicity. There are also many more and other papers on vaccine failure and about vaccine adjuvants. Lets just start with a few on adverse reactions…

        Effects of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy-related respiratory symptoms among children and adolescents in the United States.

        Vaccination and Risk for Developing Inflammatory Bowel Disease: A Meta-Analysis of Case-Control and Cohort Studies.

        Is diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) associated with increased female mortality? A meta-analysis testing the hypotheses of sex-differential non-specific effects of DTP vaccine.

        The epidemiology of fatalities reported to the vaccine adverse event reporting system 1990-1997.

        Whooping cough and pertussis vaccine: a comparison of risks and benefits in Britain during the period 1968-83.

        Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?

        A comparative evaluation of the effects of MMR immunization and mercury doses from thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines on the population prevalence of autism.

        Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy children.

        Risk of immune hemolytic anemia in children following immunization.

        A case-control study of quadrivalent human papillomavirus vaccine-associated autoimmune adverse events.

        A modified self-controlled case series method to examine association between multidose vaccinations and death.

        Adverse events following immunization with vaccines containing adjuvants.

        Elevated levels of measles antibodies in children with autism.

        Hair mercury in breast-fed infants exposed to thimerosal-preserved vaccines.

        1. You are either a purposeful liar or you are being disingenuous. Did you really think that nobody would actually check the studies that you have provided links to? You have depended on people’s laziness to foist the false idea that what you have provided links to are studies that show negative effects of vaccinations.

          Sorry, Jennifer, but I’m a research scientist that reads such studies all day long. I will show how disingenuous you have been with just one example and I will leave it to others to show you that you have provided a list of actual studies that don’t show what you purport them to show.

          Your second link is this:

          Here is he conclusion from that study:

          Results of this meta-analysis show no evidence supporting an association between childhood immunization or H1N1 vaccination in adults and risk of developing IBD. The association between the poliomyelitis vaccine and the risk for CD or UC should be analyzed with caution because of study heterogeneity.

          Now that we know you aren’t a researcher or scientist, I see that you don’t know how to check for follow up studies that refute those that you have cited and were later retracted or refuted. I have done that with several of the studies you have cited and they have been refuted by later works.

          As but one example, you post a link to a 16 year old study that purports a causative relationship between Elevated levels of measles antibodies in children with autism.

          Here is the study you cite:

          Here is a link to follow up studies that refute the conclusions of the study you have cited


          Now that you have been exposed as a fraud, why not tell us the source of the material you have obviously just copied and pasted from somewhere else?

          1. I was going to include follow-up studies in my reply, but it was just getting too tedious. Don’t take it out on Jennifer. She’s not a bad person, she simply got duped by some scam artists who knew she wouldn’t take the time to follow those links and actually read the studies. The blame lies with the liars who make a living selling snakeoil to the gullible.

        2. I did respond. I pointed out that nothing you posted was scientific evidence. That’s not a diversion, it’s a direct reply to the disingenuous nature of your argument. But since you took the time to copy/paste a bunch of studies you never read, I’ll take the time to respond to each one by one.

          1. The first one clearly states that their control group is too small to determine any causal relationship. Regardless, the effects they were measuring was the odds of having any allergy related symptom in the last 12 months. In your expert opinion, what’s worse? The effects of a runny nose or the effects of tetanus?

          2. The authors concluded that the evidence showed “no evidence supporting an association between childhood immunization or H1N1 vaccination in adults and risk of developing IBD”. In other words, the study says the exact opposite of what you’re claiming.

          3. The study excluded all subjects who received neonatal vitamin A. In fact, that’s the only thing they had in common. That is what is known as a “confounding” variable, a popular trope used by quacks to sell a false hypothesis. Again, doesn’t support your hypothesis.

          4. Another one that refutes your argument. The authors concluded “These data may support findings of past controlled studies showing that the association between infant vaccination and SIDS is coincidental and not causal. VAERS reports of death after vaccination may be stimulated by the temporal association, rather than by any causal relationship.” Why did you think that study supported your position?

          5. That study literally concluded “Such vaccination had a significant protective effect in children aged 1-4 years but not in older children. There was no evidence of a herd immunity sufficient to protect infants below age for vaccination. Admissions to hospital decreased during the period 1970-83.” Did you read that? It literally states that vaccination had a protective effect.

          6. Another study that found a weak correlation and no causation. Having read the study thoroughly, it’s clear that the authors were engaging in what is known as “p hacking”, a common technique used by quacks to support an untenable hypothesis. I guess that stands to reason since the study was financed and conducted by the “Think Twice Global Vaccine Institute, USA”.

          7. This study concluded that thimerosal should be removed from vaccines. It was, nearly two decades ago. It didn’t find any causal relationship or even an association with any disease, only that there is biological plausibility so better safe than sorry. Again, not sure what point you’re trying to make with this one.

          8. This study concluded “Influenza vaccines are efficacious in preventing cases of influenza in children older than two years of age, but little evidence is available for children younger than two years of age.” No kidding. That’s the whole point of vaccinating.

          9. This study concluded there was no association between IHA and any vaccine. Again, another one that directly refutes your claims.

          10. Having analyzed the incidence of numerous adverse events, the author concluded that vaccinated subjects were no more likely than controls to have experienced any of them. Again, the exact opposite of what you’re claiming.

          11. This isn’t even a vaccine study. It’s comparing the reliability of two different adverse event reporting methods to determine which is more accurate.

          12. This was the analysis of “any untoward medical occurrence that follows immunization 54 days prior to the event”, the “event” being vaccination. In other words, they are counting any illness that occurs within nearly two months after vaccination as an adverse event regardless of whether or not it was determined to be related to vaccination. Again, not sure what point you’re trying to make with this one.

          13. This study concluded that “autistic children have a hyperimmune response to measles virus.” Many studies have demonstrated that autistic children have a hyperimmune response to many viruses. None of them concluded that vaccination causes the autism, and given that it has now been clearly demonstrated that changes in the brain that lead to autism can be detected in the womb, it’s pretty clear that it’s not the vaccination causing the autism but instead the autism causing a heightened immune response to infection.

          14. This study concluded that infants vaccinated with Thimerosal-containing vaccines had higher mercury levels in their hair. Since Thierosal was removed from vaccines long ago, it’s a moot point. It should be pointed out, however, that there is more mercury in a single can of tuna than in an entire lifetime of vaccines before therosal was removed.

          There you have it. I responded one by one to all the studies you cited. I took the time to read them, which you clearly didn’t (or simply cannot). It’s obvious that one of two things happened here. The first is you thought you could fool everyone by flooding the conversation with a bunch of links that not only don’t support your assertions, but in fact directly refute them. The other is you simply copy/pasted a list from some web site that you were too gullible to fact check, meaning the author of that site is lying to you to push an agenda and relying on the fact that most people are unwilling or incapable of confirming whether or not they are telling the truth. I believe you’re a good person who wouldn’t lie to people intentionally, so I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you were simply duped. If that is the case, I suggest you write to the author of that list and ask them why they intentionally lied to you.

          If you want to refute any of my statements above, please be kind enough to include the number of the point you’re refuting. I did the tedious work of keeping everything in order to avoid diversions to a bunch of unrelated tangents because that’s how we are able to arrive at the truth, which I’m sure you seek as much as I do.

          1. Bravo. You have far more patience than I do and you even seem to suffer fools better than I can. I admire and appreciate your intellectual rigor.

  8. Whenever one of these vaccine stories is published, the gullible rubes come out of hiding and start copy/pasting the same old quotes from the same old web sites. It’s a fascinating glimpse into the collective intelligence.

    1. This is exactly what Jennifer Goodman has done, above, with her posting of links that she wants readers to believe support her nonsense that vaccines are not safe nor effective. She is a disingenuous fraud.

      1. I took the time to go through each of those studies one by one. They literally all say the exact opposite of what she’s claiming. I’m sure she didn’t come up with that list on her own so it’s pretty clear she’s being duped by a hustler, just another useful idiot for scam peddlers.

        1. I’d really like to know if she has done as you suggest. I can’t imagine her being bright enough to have assembled those links on her own, thus I asked the question about whether she copied and pasted from a central font of misinformation.

          1. I’m no researcher. I’m a clinician. I was a researcher back in the day but it’s not my cup of tea. In research it takes years to see the fruits of your labor and even then it’s usually just another tiny incremental step in a very long journey. In the clinic, satisfaction comes in anywhere from seconds to a couple months. I find it much more satisfying. However, I am a nerd and I love reading other people’s research. I’ll check it out.

            1. I took the notion that you were a researcher from something you had posted years ago. Once a researcher, always a researcher. I use the term quite liberally. My formal research days are over, yet I still do research daily. I’m convinced if we had the internet back when I was a formal researcher, I’d have won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.

    1. Good find, John. For those too lazy to actually read the study you have posted a link to, here is the conclusion they came to:

      “Conclusions. Whereas bots that spread malware and unsolicited content disseminated antivaccine messages, Russian trolls promoted discord. Accounts masquerading as legitimate users create false equivalency, eroding public consensus on vaccination.”

  9. What a vicious discussion on a subject that affects us all and should inspire people to leave their blind allegiances behind and pay attention! First of all, Jennifer Goodman is neither a bot nor a Russian agent (LOL); she’s a North American who’s a resident of Ecuador like all the rest of us. Second, she was respectful in her comments, adding important information to the discussion for the sake of all readers. Third, even if there is one follow-up study that put one of the studies she linked into question, how about paying attention to the overall message to consider if there might be something to it? Some extremely one-sided “regulars” on this website completely dismissed and ignored some of her most important points (such as, is it wise to trust those with an official track record for lying and cheating on these extremely important subjects?). And they call Jennifer disingenuous (?!). Sorry, guys, but the tone of the comments by people like Donald Devin and John Lock makes THEM sound like “agents” of a system that does not want free discussions on this subject. If you are so secure in your perspectives, so trusting of the governments and the big corporations, why won’t you allow a free and respectful exchange of information? Hmmm…

    1. Your defense of Jennifer Goodman is an utter crock. If you had actually carefully read my responses to her nonsense, you would realize that she outright lied in her in her post, suggesting that the links she posted showed vaccines to be either dangerous or ineffective.

      Jason Faulkner took the time to debunk every single “study” she cited and I raised the issue of follow up studies as well.

      I have no idea what your blind allegiance to Ms. Goodman is based on, but it is clearly not based on a search for the truth. If my mother were to publish what Ms. Goodman did, I’d call mom a liar, too. If a colleague tried to foist such nonsense in a scientific journal, he’d be laughed out of his position and would be ostracized for life.

    2. “Second, she was respectful in her comments,..

      Do you really think it is respectful to lie? If so, you must be a huge acolyte of trump.

  10. What a vicious discussion on a subject that affects us all and should inspire people to leave their blind allegiances behind and pay attention! First of all, Jennifer Goodman is neither a bot nor a Russian agent (LOL); she’s a North American who’s a resident of Ecuador like all the rest of us. Second, she was respectful in her comments, adding important information to the discussion for the sake of all readers. Third, even if there is one follow-up study that puts one of the studies she linked into question, how about paying attention to the overall message to consider if there might be something to it? Some extremely one-sided “regulars” on this website completely dismissed and ignored some of her most important points (such as, is it wise to trust those with an official track record for lying and cheating on these extremely important subjects?). And they call Jennifer disingenuous (?!). Sorry, guys, but the tone of the comments by people like Donald Devin and John Lock makes THEM sound like “agents” of a system that does not want free discussions on this subject. If you are so secure in your perspectives, so trusting of the governments and the big corporations, how come you don’t allow a free and respectful exchange of information? Hmmm…

    1. Six hours ago you posted this now refuted cry as Alicia N. Now you are posting the same information as Alicia F. This is one of kit’s oldest tricks. She affects multiple identities to plug her own unscientific posts. Do you really think that nobody is paying attention?

      1. Right on, Charlie. Did you happen to notice that “Jennifer Goodman” just conveniently started posting yesterday and has a total of 4 posts to her credit (Look at her profile) “Jennifer Goodman”, Alicia N, Alicia F., kit are all the same person, whose real name is Katherine.

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